{"version":"https://jsonfeed.org/version/1","title":"Breakfast With Minerals","home_page_url":"https://bwm.fireside.fm","feed_url":"https://bwm.fireside.fm/json","description":"In this podcast we gather some of the most influential people in the mineral-collecting world and we chat about minerals over breakfast. \r\n\r\nHosted by Dallas-based mineral collectors Gail and Jim Spann, we get together at the Fine Mineral Show: Tucson (aka The Westward Look Show) and at the Fine Mineral Show: Denver and discuss relevant topics affecting all collectors.\r\n\r\n\r\n To participate in our on-going discussion, please visit us at:\r\n Friends of Minerals Forum\r\n","_fireside":{"subtitle":"Stimulating conversations about minerals and mineral collecting as we start our day","pubdate":"2018-12-24T10:00:00.000-10:00","explicit":false,"copyright":"2024 by BlueCap Productions LLC, Hawaii","owner":"BlueCap Productions LLC, Hawaii","image":"https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/2/243a3f43-6ff7-4a95-991d-61e8057dd17c/cover.jpg?v=4"},"items":[{"id":"cd0f31c7-4f2e-42d9-88d8-6dbeb2cb1a06","title":"Episode 03: Professional Diggers","url":"https://bwm.fireside.fm/03","content_text":"\n\n\n FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:\n Friends of Minerals Forum\n\n\n\nRecorded live at the 2018 Fine Mineral Show: Denver, Gail and Jim sit down with Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Tom Praszkier, Jeff Swanger, Rod Tyson and James Zigras to get a snapshot of the perspectives of some of the biggest Professional Diggers out there in the field. \n\nThese are the people who spend their lives running the mining operations that bring us all the great material that we all love. Most often, these people are passionate collectors too and, believe it or not, they are NICE people. Listen to the episode to get a better idea of some of the problems they face and just get to know them better.\n\nThe next time you're at a show and you see one of these people, go up and introduce yourself to them and tell them that you heard them right here on Breakfast With Minerals.\n\nAnd remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com\n\n\n\nSHOW NOTES\n\n\n\n7:58:04 - The Big Kahuna Pocket - Jeff Swanger\nThe pocket that Jeff is referring to is the Big Kahuna Pocket - one of the biggest and most prolific pockets ever to be discovered at the OceanView Mine. This pocket was discovered in <2011> and ended up producing about 1 ton of gem material and specimens. The primary minerals found were Kunzite and Tourmaline.\n http://www.oceanviewmine.com/page8/page11/\n\n14:10:12 - Hallelujah Junction - Rick Kennedy\nOne of the world's premiere spots for finding amethyst scepters is Hallelujah Junction on Peterson Mountain just on the border of California and Nevada. About 40 minutes from downtown Reno, Rick and his partners always have some great finds from this classic locale.\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-235512.htm\\\n\n20:29:17 - The Prospectors television show - Jim Spann\nThe Prospectors was a television show that aired on the Weather Channel from 2013 to 2016. The show followed different Colorado mining families around as they dug in the mountains in search of mineral treasures. The Dorris family - Joe (father), Tim (brother) and Krystle were one of the families the show highlighted. \n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/\n\n22:08:11 - Avant Mining - James Zigras\nAvant Mining operates out of the Blue Springs area of Arkansas - less than 20 miles away from Hot Springs, AR. Since 2014, Avant Mining has produced some of the finest quartz specimens ever seen. \n http://avantmining.com/\n\n23:38:12 - The American Museum - James Zigras\nThe Henry Frank Guggenheim Hall of Minerals and the Morgan Memorial Hall of Gems at the American Museum in Manhattan are both undergoing major renovations and are scheduled to reopen in the Fall of 2019.\nHenry Frank Guggenheim Hall of Minerals\nhttps://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/harry-frank-guggenheim-hall-of-minerals\n\nMorgan Memorial Hall of Gems\nhttps://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/morgan-memorial-hall-of-gems\n\n25:10:19 - The Rogerley Mine - Tom Praszkier\nThe Rogerley Mine in Northern England is one of the most famous Fluorite mines in Europe. Now operated by Crystal Classics out of the U.K. Crystal Classics President, Ian Bruce, was one of our guests in Breakfast With Minerals - Episode 2.\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-4995.html\n\n32:56:04 - Hallelujah Junction - Rick Kennedy\nhttps://www.mindat.org/loc-235512.htm\\\n\n33:18:15 - HJ Fee Dig - Rick Kennedy\nRick Kennedy has set up a Pay-To-Dig site operation on his claim at Hallelujah Junction. If you'd like to visit it, contact Rick Kennedy directly at the following email address:riken@flash.net\n\n33:33:21 - Jacksons Crossroads - Rick Kennedy\nThe finest amethyst specimens to come out of the United States of America undoubtedly is from Jackson's Crossroads in Wilkes County, Georgia. \n https://www.mindat.org/loc-59885.html\n\n35:24:19 - Topaz Mountain Gem Mine - Krystle Dorris-Dinkel\nIn addition to owning and running the Smoky Hawk Claim that produces the world's most stunning Amazonite and Smoky Quartz specimens, the Dorris family also own the Topaz Mountain Gem Mine claim in Park County, Colorado. Collecting is STRICTLY PROHIBITED unless you have permission from the Dorris family. If you'd like to visit, contact them through this link: \n http://pinnacle5minerals.com/GlacierPeakWeb/Visits/TopazVisits.htm\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-159278.html\n\n37:49:20 - OceanView Pay-To-Dig site - Jeff Swanger\nIn addition to operating the last producing gem mine in the Pala region of north San Diego County, California, Jeff Swanger also has a Fee Dig operation where you can make a reservation to visit and find your own gems.\n digforgems.com\n\n41:14:07 - Hamilton Hill Mine - James Zigras\nBegun shortly after the end of the American Civil War, Hamilton Hill Mine is one of the oldest crystal mines in Arkansas. \n https://www.mindat.org/loc-11725.html\n\n46:58:22 - UK Mining Ventures - Tom Praszkier\nFormerly owned and run by Cal Graeber and Jesse Fisher (of California), UK Mining Venture is now wholly owned by Ian and Diana Bruce of Crystal Classics in the UK. \n On FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/ukminingventures/\n\n55:04:13 - Society Girl Mine in British Columbia, Canada for Pyromorphites - Rod Tyson\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-490.html\n\n56:25:13 - Victoria Island - Hematite - Rod Tyson\nClassic locality for Hematite in Hadley Bay, Northwest Territory, Canada.\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-191847.html\n\n58:24:17 - Baffin Island - Pyrite - Rod Tyson\nThe Nanisivik Mine on Baffin Island in Nunavut, Canada has produced some incredible pyrite specimens.\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-514.html\n\n58:15:19 - Smithsoniana Museum - Rod Tyson\nAmerica's National Museum in Washington D.C. Home of the Hope Diamond and an incredible collection of mineral specimens from around the world. Including, \"The Candelabra\" - one of the classic and best known specimens of bluecap tourmalines from the Queen Mine.\n https://www.si.edu/exhibitions/janet-annenberg-hooker-hall-geology-gems-and-minerals-event-exhib-31\n\n58:18:12 - ROM Museum - Rod Tyson\nThe Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The largest museum in all of Canada and home of an exceptional collection of fine mineral specimens.\n https://www.rom.on.ca/en/exhibitions-galleries/galleries/natural-history/teck-suite-galleries-earths-treasures\n\n1:02:02:21 - Sudbury District, Ontario, Canada - Sperrylites - Jim Spann\n https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?loc=571&min=3723\n\n1:04:42:02 - The Miner’s Inn - Jeff Swanger\nIn addition to running the OceanView Mine, the Pala Chief Mine AND his Pay-To-Dig site, Swanger also runs a B&B located onsite at the OceanView called the Miner's Inn. This is available for anyone wanting to spend an explore the area.\n https://digforgems.com/\n\n\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.comSpecial Guests: James Zigras, Jeff Swanger, Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Rod Tyson, and Tom Praszkier.","content_html":"


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FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:
\n Friends of Minerals Forum

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\nRecorded live at the 2018 Fine Mineral Show: Denver, Gail and Jim sit down with Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Tom Praszkier, Jeff Swanger, Rod Tyson and James Zigras to get a snapshot of the perspectives of some of the biggest Professional Diggers out there in the field.

\n\n

These are the people who spend their lives running the mining operations that bring us all the great material that we all love. Most often, these people are passionate collectors too and, believe it or not, they are NICE people. Listen to the episode to get a better idea of some of the problems they face and just get to know them better.

\n\n

The next time you're at a show and you see one of these people, go up and introduce yourself to them and tell them that you heard them right here on Breakfast With Minerals.

\n\n

And remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com

\n\n


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SHOW NOTES

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\n\n

7:58:04 - The Big Kahuna Pocket - Jeff Swanger
\nThe pocket that Jeff is referring to is the Big Kahuna Pocket - one of the biggest and most prolific pockets ever to be discovered at the OceanView Mine. This pocket was discovered in <2011> and ended up producing about 1 ton of gem material and specimens. The primary minerals found were Kunzite and Tourmaline.
\n http://www.oceanviewmine.com/page8/page11/

\n\n

14:10:12 - Hallelujah Junction - Rick Kennedy
\nOne of the world's premiere spots for finding amethyst scepters is Hallelujah Junction on Peterson Mountain just on the border of California and Nevada. About 40 minutes from downtown Reno, Rick and his partners always have some great finds from this classic locale.
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-235512.htm\\

\n\n

20:29:17 - The Prospectors television show - Jim Spann
\nThe Prospectors was a television show that aired on the Weather Channel from 2013 to 2016. The show followed different Colorado mining families around as they dug in the mountains in search of mineral treasures. The Dorris family - Joe (father), Tim (brother) and Krystle were one of the families the show highlighted.
\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/

\n\n

22:08:11 - Avant Mining - James Zigras
\nAvant Mining operates out of the Blue Springs area of Arkansas - less than 20 miles away from Hot Springs, AR. Since 2014, Avant Mining has produced some of the finest quartz specimens ever seen.
\n http://avantmining.com/

\n\n

23:38:12 - The American Museum - James Zigras
\nThe Henry Frank Guggenheim Hall of Minerals and the Morgan Memorial Hall of Gems at the American Museum in Manhattan are both undergoing major renovations and are scheduled to reopen in the Fall of 2019.
\nHenry Frank Guggenheim Hall of Minerals
\nhttps://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/harry-frank-guggenheim-hall-of-minerals

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Morgan Memorial Hall of Gems
\nhttps://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/morgan-memorial-hall-of-gems

\n\n

25:10:19 - The Rogerley Mine - Tom Praszkier
\nThe Rogerley Mine in Northern England is one of the most famous Fluorite mines in Europe. Now operated by Crystal Classics out of the U.K. Crystal Classics President, Ian Bruce, was one of our guests in Breakfast With Minerals - Episode 2.
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-4995.html

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32:56:04 - Hallelujah Junction - Rick Kennedy
\nhttps://www.mindat.org/loc-235512.htm\\

\n\n

33:18:15 - HJ Fee Dig - Rick Kennedy
\nRick Kennedy has set up a Pay-To-Dig site operation on his claim at Hallelujah Junction. If you'd like to visit it, contact Rick Kennedy directly at the following email address:riken@flash.net

\n\n

33:33:21 - Jacksons Crossroads - Rick Kennedy
\nThe finest amethyst specimens to come out of the United States of America undoubtedly is from Jackson's Crossroads in Wilkes County, Georgia.
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-59885.html

\n\n

35:24:19 - Topaz Mountain Gem Mine - Krystle Dorris-Dinkel
\nIn addition to owning and running the Smoky Hawk Claim that produces the world's most stunning Amazonite and Smoky Quartz specimens, the Dorris family also own the Topaz Mountain Gem Mine claim in Park County, Colorado. Collecting is STRICTLY PROHIBITED unless you have permission from the Dorris family. If you'd like to visit, contact them through this link:
\n http://pinnacle5minerals.com/GlacierPeakWeb/Visits/TopazVisits.htm
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-159278.html

\n\n

37:49:20 - OceanView Pay-To-Dig site - Jeff Swanger
\nIn addition to operating the last producing gem mine in the Pala region of north San Diego County, California, Jeff Swanger also has a Fee Dig operation where you can make a reservation to visit and find your own gems.
\n digforgems.com

\n\n

41:14:07 - Hamilton Hill Mine - James Zigras
\nBegun shortly after the end of the American Civil War, Hamilton Hill Mine is one of the oldest crystal mines in Arkansas.
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-11725.html

\n\n

46:58:22 - UK Mining Ventures - Tom Praszkier
\nFormerly owned and run by Cal Graeber and Jesse Fisher (of California), UK Mining Venture is now wholly owned by Ian and Diana Bruce of Crystal Classics in the UK.
\n On FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/ukminingventures/

\n\n

55:04:13 - Society Girl Mine in British Columbia, Canada for Pyromorphites - Rod Tyson
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-490.html

\n\n

56:25:13 - Victoria Island - Hematite - Rod Tyson
\nClassic locality for Hematite in Hadley Bay, Northwest Territory, Canada.
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-191847.html

\n\n

58:24:17 - Baffin Island - Pyrite - Rod Tyson
\nThe Nanisivik Mine on Baffin Island in Nunavut, Canada has produced some incredible pyrite specimens.
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-514.html

\n\n

58:15:19 - Smithsoniana Museum - Rod Tyson
\nAmerica's National Museum in Washington D.C. Home of the Hope Diamond and an incredible collection of mineral specimens from around the world. Including, "The Candelabra" - one of the classic and best known specimens of bluecap tourmalines from the Queen Mine.
\n https://www.si.edu/exhibitions/janet-annenberg-hooker-hall-geology-gems-and-minerals-event-exhib-31

\n\n

58:18:12 - ROM Museum - Rod Tyson
\nThe Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The largest museum in all of Canada and home of an exceptional collection of fine mineral specimens.
\n https://www.rom.on.ca/en/exhibitions-galleries/galleries/natural-history/teck-suite-galleries-earths-treasures

\n\n

1:02:02:21 - Sudbury District, Ontario, Canada - Sperrylites - Jim Spann
\n https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?loc=571&min=3723

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1:04:42:02 - The Miner’s Inn - Jeff Swanger
\nIn addition to running the OceanView Mine, the Pala Chief Mine AND his Pay-To-Dig site, Swanger also runs a B&B located onsite at the OceanView called the Miner's Inn. This is available for anyone wanting to spend an explore the area.
\n https://digforgems.com/

\n\n



\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.com

Special Guests: James Zigras, Jeff Swanger, Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Rod Tyson, and Tom Praszkier.

","summary":"Show Hosts Gail and Jim Spann sit down with Panel Guests: Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Tom Praszkier, Jeff Swanger, Rod Tyson and James Zigras to discuss the thoughts and perspectives of the professional diggers who work hard to bring the mineral treasures to you.","date_published":"2018-12-24T10:00:00.000-10:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/243a3f43-6ff7-4a95-991d-61e8057dd17c/cd0f31c7-4f2e-42d9-88d8-6dbeb2cb1a06.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":99628069,"duration_in_seconds":4086}]},{"id":"8ffb8a37-a086-4d58-bed5-afe322ae6dee","title":"Professional Diggers - Addendum","url":"https://bwm.fireside.fm/03a","content_text":"\n\n\n FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:\n Friends of Minerals Forum\n\n\n\nThis episode is a continuation of Episdoe 3 - Professional Diggers.\n\nAfter we wrapped the recording of Episode 3, the conversation around the breakfast table continued and got even more animated. With most of the microphones still hot, we continued the recording becasue there were some great things being shared.\n\nWe subsequently went out to all the participants and let them listen to a preview of this Addendum BEFORE we released it to the public.\n\nSo with everyone's permission, we're happy to present our conuation of Breakfast With Minerals - Episode 3 - Professional Diggers.\n\nAnd remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com\n\n\n\nSHOW NOTES\n\n\n\n7:56:07 - Volodarsk - Tom Praszkier\nThe Volodarsk-Volynskii Mine that Tom is referring to is in the North-West part of the Ukraine. Historically, this mine has produced some of the finest heliodor specimens ever discovered. This mine also produced huge amounts of fantastic topaz - including a lot of bi-color ones, smoky quartz and morion quartz (aka black quartz). \nhttps://www.mindat.org/loc-11331.html\n\n11:30:08 - Young Mineral Collector Group - Gail Spann\nKeep checking back with us. We’ll have an upcoming podcast with key members of the Young Mineral Collector Group.\n\n12:29:01 - Perot Museum - Gail Spann\nThe Perot Museum is the newest natural history museum in Dallas, Texas. Their Lyda Hill Gem and Mineral Hall is one of the newest mineral museums in the country and consists, primarily, of specimens loaned to the museum by local collectors. One of the huge benefits of this approach is that the display is constantly changing and specimens are returned and new ones accepted.\nhttps://www.perotmuseum.org/\nhttps://www.perotmuseum.org/exhibits-and-films/permanent-exhibit-halls/lyda-hill-gems-and-minerals-hall.html\n\n17:13:04 - Shirley McClain on cover of Time Magazine in 80s - James Zigras\nShirley McClain was on the cover of the December 7, 1987 issue of Time Magazine. The article was called, \"The New Age.\"\n\n28:25:17 - Summit Series in LA - James Zigras\nThe world's preeminent ideas festival. Right in the City of Angles.\nhttps://2017.summit.co/\n\n29:56:19 - Fahina in Maiami Beach - James Zigras\nA high-end luxury hotel overlooking Miami Beach.\nhttps://www.lhw.com/hotel/Faena-Miami-Beach-Fl\n\n31:59:02 - Crystal Days in Poland - Tom Praszkier\nThe most important mineral show in Poland. \nhttps://www.facebook.com/crystaldayspoland/\n\n\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.comSpecial Guests: James Zigras, Jeff Swanger, Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Rod Tyson, and Tom Praszkier.","content_html":"


\n\n
\n

FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:
\n Friends of Minerals Forum

\n
\n\n



\nThis episode is a continuation of Episdoe 3 - Professional Diggers.

\n\n

After we wrapped the recording of Episode 3, the conversation around the breakfast table continued and got even more animated. With most of the microphones still hot, we continued the recording becasue there were some great things being shared.

\n\n

We subsequently went out to all the participants and let them listen to a preview of this Addendum BEFORE we released it to the public.

\n\n

So with everyone's permission, we're happy to present our conuation of Breakfast With Minerals - Episode 3 - Professional Diggers.

\n\n

And remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com

\n\n


\n\n

SHOW NOTES

\n\n


\n\n

7:56:07 - Volodarsk - Tom Praszkier
\nThe Volodarsk-Volynskii Mine that Tom is referring to is in the North-West part of the Ukraine. Historically, this mine has produced some of the finest heliodor specimens ever discovered. This mine also produced huge amounts of fantastic topaz - including a lot of bi-color ones, smoky quartz and morion quartz (aka black quartz).
\nhttps://www.mindat.org/loc-11331.html

\n\n

11:30:08 - Young Mineral Collector Group - Gail Spann
\nKeep checking back with us. We’ll have an upcoming podcast with key members of the Young Mineral Collector Group.

\n\n

12:29:01 - Perot Museum - Gail Spann
\nThe Perot Museum is the newest natural history museum in Dallas, Texas. Their Lyda Hill Gem and Mineral Hall is one of the newest mineral museums in the country and consists, primarily, of specimens loaned to the museum by local collectors. One of the huge benefits of this approach is that the display is constantly changing and specimens are returned and new ones accepted.
\nhttps://www.perotmuseum.org/
\nhttps://www.perotmuseum.org/exhibits-and-films/permanent-exhibit-halls/lyda-hill-gems-and-minerals-hall.html

\n\n

17:13:04 - Shirley McClain on cover of Time Magazine in 80s - James Zigras
\nShirley McClain was on the cover of the December 7, 1987 issue of Time Magazine. The article was called, "The New Age."

\n\n

28:25:17 - Summit Series in LA - James Zigras
\nThe world's preeminent ideas festival. Right in the City of Angles.
\nhttps://2017.summit.co/

\n\n

29:56:19 - Fahina in Maiami Beach - James Zigras
\nA high-end luxury hotel overlooking Miami Beach.
\nhttps://www.lhw.com/hotel/Faena-Miami-Beach-Fl

\n\n

31:59:02 - Crystal Days in Poland - Tom Praszkier
\nThe most important mineral show in Poland.
\nhttps://www.facebook.com/crystaldayspoland/

\n\n



\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.com

Special Guests: James Zigras, Jeff Swanger, Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Rod Tyson, and Tom Praszkier.

","summary":"Show Hosts Gail and Jim Spann sit down with Panel Guests: Krystle Dorris-Dinkel, Rick Kennedy, Tom Praszkier, Jeff Swanger, Rod Tyson and James Zigras to discuss the thoughts and perspectives of the professional diggers who work hard to bring the mineral treasures to you.","date_published":"2018-12-20T16:00:00.000-10:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/243a3f43-6ff7-4a95-991d-61e8057dd17c/8ffb8a37-a086-4d58-bed5-afe322ae6dee.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":48773182,"duration_in_seconds":2438}]},{"id":"e163df62-9f78-4cc9-950b-23d49df24852","title":"Episode 02: The State of the Mineral World and How to Preserve it for Future Generations - Part 2","url":"https://bwm.fireside.fm/02","content_text":"\n\n\n FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:\n Friends of Minerals Forum\n\n\n\nRecorded at the 2018 Fine Mineral Shows: Tucson (AKA The Westward Look Show), Gail and Jim sit down with Ian Bruce, Alan Hart, Christoph Keilmann, Jolyon Ralph, Peter Lyckberg and John Cornish to address the issue of The Current State of the Mineral Collecting World and How We Preserve it for Future Generations - but this time with a slightly European perspective. \n\nThis panel represents a good slice of the European mineral-collecting community. We have a Mineral Dealer (Bruce), a former Museum Curator and gem expert (Hart), someone in the mineral media world (Ralph), a Show Promoter (Keilmann) a two great Field Collectors (Lyckberg and Cornish). \n\nLots of great comments, suggestions and ideas.\n\nAnd remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com\n\n\n\nSHOW NOTES\n\n\n\n8:22 - Rod Tyson from Tyson's Fine Minerals - Ian Bruce\nRod was the 2018 winner of the American Mineral Heritage Award - the Mineralogical Record's annual award given out to living individuals recognizing their, \"field collecting achievements contributing to the heritage of American mineral specimens.\" Past award recipients include: Edward Swoboda, Bill Larson, Bryan Lees, Wayne Thompson, Terry Szenics and Stanley Esbenshade. \n Tysons' Fine Minerals - http://www.tysonsfineminerals.com\n\n9:58 - The Munich Show: Europe's largest mineral show - Christoph Keilmann\n https://munichshow.com\n\n10:53 - MinDat: the largest mineral database in the world - Jolyon Ralph\n https://www.mindat.org\n\n15:39 - Natural History Museum of London (aka The British Museum) - Alan Hart\n http://www.nhm.ac.uk\n\n16:53 - Society of Mineral Museum Professionals (SMMP) - Alan Hart\n http://www.smmp.net/\n\n27:39 - Perot Museum in Dallas, Texas - Gail Spann\n www.perotmuseum.org\n\n36:09 - Mineral photographer Thomas Spann - Jim Spann\n https://www.facebook.com/thomas.spann\n\n44:16 - Gem shows in Tucson - Alan Hart\n AGTA - https://agta.org/\n GJX - http://www.gjxusa.com/\n\n44:28 - The Hope Diamond - Gail Spann\n Wikipedia page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Diamond\n Smithsonian Museum - https://www.si.edu/spotlight/hope-diamond\n\n45:04 - The Prospectors show on the Weather Channel - Peter Lyckberg\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospectors_(TV_series)\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/\n\n45:18 - The New Crystal Hunters series produced by BlueCap Productions - Peter Lyckberg\n NCH: The Sterling Mine - https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch04\n NCH: Smoky Hawk - https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch03\n NCH: Arkansas - https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch02\n\n52:54 - The Changsha Mineral Show in China - Jolyon Ralph\n www.changsha-show.com\n\n57:48 - Social media and BlueCap Productions films - Ian Bruce\n www.bluecapproductions.com\n https://vimeo.com/bluecapproductions/vod_pages\n\n1:04:25 - The mineral magazines in Europe vs America - Ian Bruce\n Mineralogical Record - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/\n Lapis Magazine - http://www.lapis.de/\n\n1:11:38 - The Tsumeb Show - a new mini show in Tucson - Ian Bruce\n http://www.tsumeb.com/en/\n\n1:13:28 - David Bowie exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum - Alan Hart\n https://www.vam.ac.uk/\n\n1:13:28 - \"It's The Artifacts Stupid!\" article by Bill Smith - Alan Hart\n The Mineralogical Record - Vol.35, No.2 - Mar/Apr 2004\n https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=233\n https://mineralogicalrecord.com/pdfs/TheMineralogicalRecord_GuestEditorial.pdf\n\n1:15:35 - Houston Museum of Natural Science - Gail Spann\n http://www.hmns.org/exhibits/permanent-exhibitions/gems-and-minerals/\n\n1:16:52 - Friday morning at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society (TGMS) show- John Cornish\n http://www.tgms.org/show/\n\n1:21:16 - Society of Mineral Museum Professionals (SMMP) - Jolyon Ralph\n http://www.smmp.net/\n\n1:27:56 - A mineral-collecting field trip to the cliffs of Dover, UK - Jolyon Ralph\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-223577.html\n\n1:29:49 - Digging Arkansas Quartz at the James Zigras Mine - Gail Spann\n http://avantmining.com/\n\n1:31:43 - The mineral museums in Madrid, Spain - Peter Lyckberg\n Museo Geominero - http://www.igme.es/museo/\n Museo de la Geología - https://www.ucm.es/cultura/m.geologia\n\n1:35:15 - The Prospectors show on the Weather Channel - Gail Spann\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospectors_(TV_series)\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/\n\n1:45:22 - The Fersman Museum in Moscow, Russia - Jolyon Ralph\n https://www.fmm.ru/Index.htm\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fersman_Mineralogical_Museum\n\n\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.comSpecial Guests: Alan Hart, Christoph Keilmann, Ian Bruce, John Cornish, Jolyon Ralph, and Peter Lyckberg.","content_html":"


\n\n
\n

FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:
\n Friends of Minerals Forum

\n
\n\n



\nRecorded at the 2018 Fine Mineral Shows: Tucson (AKA The Westward Look Show), Gail and Jim sit down with Ian Bruce, Alan Hart, Christoph Keilmann, Jolyon Ralph, Peter Lyckberg and John Cornish to address the issue of The Current State of the Mineral Collecting World and How We Preserve it for Future Generations - but this time with a slightly European perspective.

\n\n

This panel represents a good slice of the European mineral-collecting community. We have a Mineral Dealer (Bruce), a former Museum Curator and gem expert (Hart), someone in the mineral media world (Ralph), a Show Promoter (Keilmann) a two great Field Collectors (Lyckberg and Cornish).

\n\n

Lots of great comments, suggestions and ideas.

\n\n

And remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com

\n\n


\n\n

SHOW NOTES

\n\n


\n\n

8:22 - Rod Tyson from Tyson's Fine Minerals - Ian Bruce
\nRod was the 2018 winner of the American Mineral Heritage Award - the Mineralogical Record's annual award given out to living individuals recognizing their, "field collecting achievements contributing to the heritage of American mineral specimens." Past award recipients include: Edward Swoboda, Bill Larson, Bryan Lees, Wayne Thompson, Terry Szenics and Stanley Esbenshade.
\n Tysons' Fine Minerals - http://www.tysonsfineminerals.com

\n\n

9:58 - The Munich Show: Europe's largest mineral show - Christoph Keilmann
\n https://munichshow.com

\n\n

10:53 - MinDat: the largest mineral database in the world - Jolyon Ralph
\n https://www.mindat.org

\n\n

15:39 - Natural History Museum of London (aka The British Museum) - Alan Hart
\n http://www.nhm.ac.uk

\n\n

16:53 - Society of Mineral Museum Professionals (SMMP) - Alan Hart
\n http://www.smmp.net/

\n\n

27:39 - Perot Museum in Dallas, Texas - Gail Spann
\n www.perotmuseum.org

\n\n

36:09 - Mineral photographer Thomas Spann - Jim Spann
\n https://www.facebook.com/thomas.spann

\n\n

44:16 - Gem shows in Tucson - Alan Hart
\n AGTA - https://agta.org/
\n GJX - http://www.gjxusa.com/

\n\n

44:28 - The Hope Diamond - Gail Spann
\n Wikipedia page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Diamond
\n Smithsonian Museum - https://www.si.edu/spotlight/hope-diamond

\n\n

45:04 - The Prospectors show on the Weather Channel - Peter Lyckberg
\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospectors_(TV_series)
\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/

\n\n

45:18 - The New Crystal Hunters series produced by BlueCap Productions - Peter Lyckberg
\n NCH: The Sterling Mine - https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch04
\n NCH: Smoky Hawk - https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch03
\n NCH: Arkansas - https://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch02

\n\n

52:54 - The Changsha Mineral Show in China - Jolyon Ralph
\n www.changsha-show.com

\n\n

57:48 - Social media and BlueCap Productions films - Ian Bruce
\n www.bluecapproductions.com
\n https://vimeo.com/bluecapproductions/vod_pages

\n\n

1:04:25 - The mineral magazines in Europe vs America - Ian Bruce
\n Mineralogical Record - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/
\n Lapis Magazine - http://www.lapis.de/

\n\n

1:11:38 - The Tsumeb Show - a new mini show in Tucson - Ian Bruce
\n http://www.tsumeb.com/en/

\n\n

1:13:28 - David Bowie exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum - Alan Hart
\n https://www.vam.ac.uk/

\n\n

1:13:28 - "It's The Artifacts Stupid!" article by Bill Smith - Alan Hart
\n The Mineralogical Record - Vol.35, No.2 - Mar/Apr 2004
\n https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=233
\n https://mineralogicalrecord.com/pdfs/TheMineralogicalRecord_GuestEditorial.pdf

\n\n

1:15:35 - Houston Museum of Natural Science - Gail Spann
\n http://www.hmns.org/exhibits/permanent-exhibitions/gems-and-minerals/

\n\n

1:16:52 - Friday morning at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society (TGMS) show- John Cornish
\n http://www.tgms.org/show/

\n\n

1:21:16 - Society of Mineral Museum Professionals (SMMP) - Jolyon Ralph
\n http://www.smmp.net/

\n\n

1:27:56 - A mineral-collecting field trip to the cliffs of Dover, UK - Jolyon Ralph
\n https://www.mindat.org/loc-223577.html

\n\n

1:29:49 - Digging Arkansas Quartz at the James Zigras Mine - Gail Spann
\n http://avantmining.com/

\n\n

1:31:43 - The mineral museums in Madrid, Spain - Peter Lyckberg
\n Museo Geominero - http://www.igme.es/museo/
\n Museo de la Geología - https://www.ucm.es/cultura/m.geologia

\n\n

1:35:15 - The Prospectors show on the Weather Channel - Gail Spann
\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospectors_(TV_series)
\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/

\n\n

1:45:22 - The Fersman Museum in Moscow, Russia - Jolyon Ralph
\n https://www.fmm.ru/Index.htm
\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fersman_Mineralogical_Museum

\n\n



\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.com

Special Guests: Alan Hart, Christoph Keilmann, Ian Bruce, John Cornish, Jolyon Ralph, and Peter Lyckberg.

","summary":"Show Hosts Gail and Jim Spann sit down with Panel Guests: Ian Bruce (President, Crystal Classics), John Cornish (Field Collector and President, Cornish Minerals), Alan Hart (CEO, Gem-A), Jolyon Ralph (Founder, MinDat.org), Christoph Keilmann (Show Promoter, Munich Show) and Peter Lyckberg (Field Collector and Private Collector).","date_published":"2018-08-15T06:00:00.000-10:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/243a3f43-6ff7-4a95-991d-61e8057dd17c/e163df62-9f78-4cc9-950b-23d49df24852.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":54614331,"duration_in_seconds":6577}]},{"id":"88aa5c3a-192a-4dde-b8ea-a5145acda9b9","title":"Episode 01: The State of the Mineral World and How to Preserve it for Future Generations - Part 1","url":"https://bwm.fireside.fm/01","content_text":"\n\n\n FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:\n Friends of Minerals Forum\n\n\n\nRecorded at the 2018 Fine Mineral Shows: Tucson (AKA The Westward Look Show, Gail and Jim sit down with Bryan Lees, Jamie Newman, John Rakovan, Dave Waisman and Stephen Neely to address the issue of The Current State of the Mineral Collecting World and How we Preserve it for Future Generations. \n\nThis panel represents a good slice of the American mineral-collecting community. We have a Mineral Dealer (Lees), a Museum Curator (Newmann), someone in the mineral media world (Rakovan), a Show Promoter (Waisman) and a Collector (Neely). \n\nLots of great comments, suggestions and ideas.\n\nAnd remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com\n\n\n\nSHOW NOTES\n\n\n\n11:04.804 - Rock Currier series on Being A Collector - referenced by John Rakovan\n Published in The Mineralogical Record (https://mineralogicalrecord.com)\n Only a few bound copies left. Otherwise, the articles were printed in the following issues:\n Vol. 42-3 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=293\n Vol. 40-3 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=279\n Vol. 40-2 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=277\n Vol. 40-1 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=276\n Vol. 39-5 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=274\n Vol. 39-4 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=272\n\n12:23.954 - American Museum renovation - Jamie Newman\n https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/earth-and-planetary-sciences-halls/harry-frank-guggenheim-hall-of-minerals\n\n26:30.236 - Friends of Mineralogy, FMF, MinDat chat rooms - John Rakovan\n http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/\n https://www.mindat.org/forum.php\n\n26:59.339 - COLIDO chat room - Bryan Lees\n http://www.colido.de/en-us\n\n30:17.537 - Jurassic Park interested in Amber - Dave Waisman\n http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Amber\n\n34:34.675 - John Culberson - Congressman from Houston - collector - Steve Neely\n https://culberson.house.gov\n\n37:45.008 - “Garden of Crystals” book - Steve Neely\n https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Garden-Crystals-Vandall-King/dp/0983201749\n https://kristalle.com/product/natures-garden-of-crystals/\n\n45:29.000 - Monica Rakovan’s book for children - John Rakovan\n https://issuu.com/irocks/docs/shiny_purple_crystals_-_mk_final\n https://www.facebook.com/AppleValleyMinerals/\n\n45:45.027 - Mineralogical Society of America - Website focusing on minerals for kids - John Rakovan\n http://www.mineralogy4kids.org\n http://www.minsocam.org\n\n46:55.970 - Friends of Mineralogy Symposiums - Dave Waisman\n https://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/symposia/\n https://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/\n\n49:13.776 - NCH: Smoky Hawk - Jim Spann\nhttps://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch03\n\n56:02.530 - Triphylite - Rechargable batteris - John Rakovan\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triphylite\n http://www.minerals.net/mineral/triphylite.aspx\n https://www.britannica.com/science/triphylite\n\n1:06:05.903 - Yale Museum - Jim Spann\n http://peabody.yale.edu/exhibits/hall-minerals-earth-and-space\n\n1:07:30.905 - Mineral Museums - Dave Waisman\n Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History - New Haven, CT\n http://peabody.yale.edu/exhibits/hall-minerals-earth-and-space\n Perot Museum of Nature and Science - Dallas, TX\n https://www.perotmuseum.org\n University of Arizona Gem & Mineral Museum - Tucson, AZ\n http://gemandmineralmuseum.arizona.edu\n http://www.uamineralmuseum.org/content/welcome-university-arizona-gem-mineral-museum\n Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals - Hillsboro, OR\n https://ricenorthwestmuseum.org\n\n1:08:22.483 - SMMP - Bryan Lees\n http://www.smmp.net\n\n1:10:38.621 - Prospectors & Mineral Explorers - Bryan Lees\n Prospectors Show\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospectors_(TV_series)\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/\n Mineral Explorers Show\n https://www.crystalspringsmining.com/season-1_ep_71.html\n https://www.facebook.com/mineral.explorers/\n\n1:15:56.229 - OceanView Mine - Dave Waisman\n http://digforgems.com\n http://www.oceanviewmine.com\n https://www.facebook.com/OceanviewMine/\n\n1:16:21.884 - Arkansas Pay To Dig Sites - Gail Spann\n Crater Of Diamonds\n http://www.craterofdiamondsstatepark.com\n Ron Coleman Mine\n https://colemanquartz.com\n\n1:17:11.406 - Rocks & Minerals article on fee digging sites - John Rakovan\n http://www.rocksandminerals.org\n\n1:17:27.465 - Crystal Park near Butte. Montana - Dave Waisman\n http://southwestmt.com/listings/11967.htm\n http://ourtravelingtribe.com/2014/10/rock-hounding-prisms-crystal-park-montana.html\n\n\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.comSpecial Guests: Bryan Lees, Dave Waisman, Jamie Newman, John Rakovan, and Stephen Neely.","content_html":"


\n\n
\n

FOR EPISODE COMMENTS PLEASE VISIT:
\n Friends of Minerals Forum

\n
\n\n



\nRecorded at the 2018 Fine Mineral Shows: Tucson (AKA The Westward Look Show, Gail and Jim sit down with Bryan Lees, Jamie Newman, John Rakovan, Dave Waisman and Stephen Neely to address the issue of The Current State of the Mineral Collecting World and How we Preserve it for Future Generations.

\n\n

This panel represents a good slice of the American mineral-collecting community. We have a Mineral Dealer (Lees), a Museum Curator (Newmann), someone in the mineral media world (Rakovan), a Show Promoter (Waisman) and a Collector (Neely).

\n\n

Lots of great comments, suggestions and ideas.

\n\n

And remember, if you have an idea on a topic you'd like to hear addressed on future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, drop us a line at: topics@breakfastwithminerals.com

\n\n


\n\n

SHOW NOTES

\n\n


\n\n

11:04.804 - Rock Currier series on Being A Collector - referenced by John Rakovan
\n Published in The Mineralogical Record (https://mineralogicalrecord.com)
\n Only a few bound copies left. Otherwise, the articles were printed in the following issues:
\n Vol. 42-3 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=293
\n Vol. 40-3 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=279
\n Vol. 40-2 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=277
\n Vol. 40-1 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=276
\n Vol. 39-5 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=274
\n Vol. 39-4 - https://mineralogicalrecord.com/detail.asp?id=272

\n\n

12:23.954 - American Museum renovation - Jamie Newman
\n https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent-exhibitions/earth-and-planetary-sciences-halls/harry-frank-guggenheim-hall-of-minerals

\n\n

26:30.236 - Friends of Mineralogy, FMF, MinDat chat rooms - John Rakovan
\n http://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/
\n https://www.mindat.org/forum.php

\n\n

26:59.339 - COLIDO chat room - Bryan Lees
\n http://www.colido.de/en-us

\n\n

30:17.537 - Jurassic Park interested in Amber - Dave Waisman
\n http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Amber

\n\n

34:34.675 - John Culberson - Congressman from Houston - collector - Steve Neely
\n https://culberson.house.gov

\n\n

37:45.008 - “Garden of Crystals” book - Steve Neely
\n https://www.amazon.com/Natures-Garden-Crystals-Vandall-King/dp/0983201749
\n https://kristalle.com/product/natures-garden-of-crystals/

\n\n

45:29.000 - Monica Rakovan’s book for children - John Rakovan
\n https://issuu.com/irocks/docs/shiny_purple_crystals_-_mk_final
\n https://www.facebook.com/AppleValleyMinerals/

\n\n

45:45.027 - Mineralogical Society of America - Website focusing on minerals for kids - John Rakovan
\n http://www.mineralogy4kids.org
\n http://www.minsocam.org

\n\n

46:55.970 - Friends of Mineralogy Symposiums - Dave Waisman
\n https://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/symposia/
\n https://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/

\n\n

49:13.776 - NCH: Smoky Hawk - Jim Spann
\nhttps://vimeo.com/ondemand/nch03

\n\n

56:02.530 - Triphylite - Rechargable batteris - John Rakovan
\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triphylite
\n http://www.minerals.net/mineral/triphylite.aspx
\n https://www.britannica.com/science/triphylite

\n\n

1:06:05.903 - Yale Museum - Jim Spann
\n http://peabody.yale.edu/exhibits/hall-minerals-earth-and-space

\n\n

1:07:30.905 - Mineral Museums - Dave Waisman
\n Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History - New Haven, CT
\n http://peabody.yale.edu/exhibits/hall-minerals-earth-and-space
\n Perot Museum of Nature and Science - Dallas, TX
\n https://www.perotmuseum.org
\n University of Arizona Gem & Mineral Museum - Tucson, AZ
\n http://gemandmineralmuseum.arizona.edu
\n http://www.uamineralmuseum.org/content/welcome-university-arizona-gem-mineral-museum
\n Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals - Hillsboro, OR
\n https://ricenorthwestmuseum.org

\n\n

1:08:22.483 - SMMP - Bryan Lees
\n http://www.smmp.net

\n\n

1:10:38.621 - Prospectors & Mineral Explorers - Bryan Lees
\n Prospectors Show
\n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospectors_(TV_series)
\n https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3216258/
\n Mineral Explorers Show
\n https://www.crystalspringsmining.com/season-1_ep_71.html
\n https://www.facebook.com/mineral.explorers/

\n\n

1:15:56.229 - OceanView Mine - Dave Waisman
\n http://digforgems.com
\n http://www.oceanviewmine.com
\n https://www.facebook.com/OceanviewMine/

\n\n

1:16:21.884 - Arkansas Pay To Dig Sites - Gail Spann
\n Crater Of Diamonds
\n http://www.craterofdiamondsstatepark.com
\n Ron Coleman Mine
\n https://colemanquartz.com

\n\n

1:17:11.406 - Rocks & Minerals article on fee digging sites - John Rakovan
\n http://www.rocksandminerals.org

\n\n

1:17:27.465 - Crystal Park near Butte. Montana - Dave Waisman
\n http://southwestmt.com/listings/11967.htm
\n http://ourtravelingtribe.com/2014/10/rock-hounding-prisms-crystal-park-montana.html

\n\n



\nIf you're interested in Sponsoring future episodes of Breakfast With Minerals, please contact Bryan Swoboda at bryan@bluecapproductions.com

Special Guests: Bryan Lees, Dave Waisman, Jamie Newman, John Rakovan, and Stephen Neely.

","summary":"Show Hosts Gail and Jim Spann sit down with Panel Guests: Bryan Lees (President, The Collector's Edge), Jamie Newman (Sr. Museum Specialist, The American Museum), John Rakovan (Executive Editor, Rocks & Minerals Magazine), Dave Waisman (Show Promoter, Fine Mineral Show) and Stephen Neely (Private Collector).","date_published":"2018-05-15T07:00:00.000-10:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/243a3f43-6ff7-4a95-991d-61e8057dd17c/88aa5c3a-192a-4dde-b8ea-a5145acda9b9.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":98508209,"duration_in_seconds":4795}]}]}